Cleared Area

05 Apr 2016 09:32 - 05 Apr 2016 15:22 #3647 by Geoff Potter
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Hi all,

In an area of KKC that I frequently place my hide to wait for birds I discovered a patch of cleared earth that I have never come across before. It is about 5x4 meters in size and completely reduced to bare earth with only stubs of remaining plants remaining, its not pigs as there are no signs of deep digging into the soil but there are what appear to be hoof prints, quite large too.

I have noticed an increase in Gaur activity here and have spotted them twice, or more accurately they spotted me. Could it be them?

Regards

Geoff

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05 Apr 2016 15:28 - 09 Apr 2016 17:55 #3648 by admin
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Geoff,

we found a similar sounding area a few weeks ago just off the KM 1x trail. The area was devoid of vegetation and a bit of a "dust bowl". Our counterpart was with us (most experienced DNP staff I have ever come across) and he identified it as sambar activity straight away. That could be your culprit.

I haven't been to KK for a few weeks now - I need to get back there! Missing the place.

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05 Apr 2016 15:48 #3649 by Geoff Potter
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That's the same spot. Never actually see any Sambar though.....

Well I'll be in there tomorrow again, lets see

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05 Apr 2016 18:24 #3650 by onflipflops
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Sounds pretty big for Sambar, but I guess it is possible, especially if more of them stayed together.

I have found a smaller clearing somewhere higher up in the park, which was about 1 square metre. Perfectly clean patch of forest floor, not a single dead leaf, but it had one or two droppings, plus the feather of a Grey Peacock-pheasant on it.

Before getting to the spot I heard the Grey Peacock-pheasant calls. Does anyone know if this bird clears a 'dance floor' before showing off to the ladies? I know some bird species do, but don't know if this particular one does the same.

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06 Apr 2016 20:50 #3654 by Geoff Potter
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I have never heard of Pheasants doing this other than clearing small areas when feeding however, the Great Argus definitely does it and it only occurs at higher altitudes. Didn't someone get a photo of a tail of this bird from a camera trap? It has not been recorded at KKC for many years and more info on a possible area to stake out would be great.

Geoff

By the way here's a picture of a raptor that visited my water hole today in KKC
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07 Apr 2016 11:55 - 07 Apr 2016 11:58 #3658 by onflipflops
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Very cool shot!
Is that Crested Goshawk?

Would be interesting to know if the Great Argus is indeed confirmed on camera trap...

Seems like still enough to discover in KK.

Has anyone seen Helmeted Hornbill in KK?
So far I have only seen 4 species of Hornbill in KK: Tickell's Brown, Great, Oriental Pied, and Wreathed hornbill.
Have any of you seen any other species? I have heard Plain-pouched, White-crowned, Helmeted, and possibly Bushy-crested Hornbill might occur, though have never seen anyone post any proof of any of these.

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07 Apr 2016 17:30 #3659 by Geoff Potter
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Yep, Crested Goshawk, male. Came in for a drink but after some serious harassment from Drongo's it was forced to swoop down away from the water and landed right in front of me.

The four Hornbills you mentioned are all easily seen in KKC (Wreathed usually flying over) but all the others you mentioned have at one time been spotted. Piak the bird guide says White Crowned was once fairly easy to see, Mongol a bird artist I know remembers seeing Helmeted many years ago and Bushy Crested too. Sadly none of them has been seen for many, many years so they may be gone. Plain pouched has been reported but never confirmed.

Who knows, maybe in the deeper areas of the park beyond the Petchburi river they are still there. I would be up for a trip if we could get permission!

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07 Apr 2016 21:45 - 07 Apr 2016 21:51 #3660 by onflipflops
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Definitely interesting!
A Phetchaburi valley expedition sounds very interesting, for birds, mammals and reptiles alike. If you ever get permission and need some companion, don't forget to let me know ;-)
Overnight stay down at the river or nearby, would be great (would love to do some night walking down there!).

When I will have some more free time I hope to at least do some more day trips just down to the Phetchaburi and explore trails near the river. That walk back up is a bit of a pain, but well. I did hear that White-crowned has been seen there, though not sure how long ago.
I have added their calls to my phone to verify any unfamiliar hornbill-like calls in case I will hear some.
Will surely report any sighting of any of the other species apart from the 4 common ones.

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10 Apr 2016 07:57 #3675 by bootly66
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Is that around the C/Y trail??

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10 Apr 2016 16:06 #3678 by onflipflops
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Never heard of C/Y trail...
There used to be an old camp called KU down at the Phetchaburi river. There is very little left of that, as elephants did some redesigning...

The area I was talking about is basically from the dead end of the road (km36). And then follow the trail down, though take the left fork after 1.5km (instead of the right fork that leads to Thorthip waterfall) to go down to the Phetchaburi (watch out, there is another trail branching off to the left at some point, which I do not know yet where it leads, most likely also to the river, but anyway.)
Honestly i haven't looked for trails down at the river, but expect there might be. Though not that I would recommend just anyone to try. If you get lost down there, you are a LONG way from home.

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10 Apr 2016 18:24 - 10 Apr 2016 18:24 #3679 by bootly66
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ok thanks.. I was thinking of the Crested Goshawk site... Chang Yiap trail ????
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10 Apr 2016 20:06 #3680 by Geoff Potter
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Chiang Yiap, KM 17 on the right hand side, before stream 3. Its a spot I have been watching for months but the Goshawk was just a fluke, he may return, but unlikely. Grey Peacock Pheasant on the other hand is a regular visitor every evening.

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10 Apr 2016 20:11 #3681 by bootly66
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I will be there next week

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28 Jun 2016 10:44 #3887 by Robby L
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I have seen two similar cleared areas in different national parks one which I posted a photo of in Klong Phanom in National Parks of the South on this site.

The other, I wont say where, had a hide built by rangers to watch it and I was shown photos of Great Argus that had been taken from it as the birds displayed.

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28 Jun 2016 11:02 - 28 Jun 2016 11:03 #3888 by Robby L
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CY Trail
Is that the track that goes up a stream bed between stream crossings 2 and 3 marked with pieces of cloth on trees, There is a cleared area a fair way up with 3 rocks and a place where there has been a hide.

If so I sat there on the mornings of 18,19th this month Sat,Sun to get away from the chatterers, no birds to be seen but lots to be heard including woodpeckers and hornbill.

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28 Jun 2016 12:02 #3889 by bootly66
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That's the one.. not explored it too much myself yet

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29 Jun 2016 13:42 #3890 by Geoff Potter
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I've been told that's an area cleared by Sambar deer when they roll in the dust. Its not a Great Argus, too low altitude, but there are very rare reports of sightings higher up.

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06 Jul 2016 19:20 #3895 by Robby L
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As I posted previously I was shown photos of Great Argus taken from a hide positioned to overlook a cleared area I was shown, it was in thick forest low down in a valley.

I wont say where as I promised not to because they dont want people going there and disturbing the birds.

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