× Over 400 species of birds are known to occur within the Park’s boundaries, and 57 mammals. Larger mammals include elephant, gaur, sambar deer, banteng, serow, and bear, indo-chinese tiger, leopard, both common and Fea’s muntjac. Malayan tapir, white-handed gibbon, dusky and banded langurs, Asian wild dog, otter, and wild boar.

Kaeng Krachan - General Notes

09 Jul 2009 00:23 - 17 Nov 2016 14:05 #72 by
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This is a general notes thread to look at information available on Kaeng Krachan National Park to try and understand the locations of its internal sites better...........

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UP AND DOWN Times

From KM 18 (just after Baan Kraang) to Paonoenthung there are restrictions on the time you can drive up the mountain road and down the mountain road - this is a safety measure.

Times for driving up are 6 a.m. till 7:30 a.m. and 1 p.m. till 3 p.m

Times for driving down are 9 a.m. till 11 a.m. and 4 p.m. till 5 p.m


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1) Thai Forest Booking general info ADMIN DEAD URL NOTED AND DELETED

2) Notation here of two more tracks (ex Thor Thip) 1) from the lower camp site and 2 from the upper camp site http://www.thaibirding.com/locations/west/kk.htm


3) Possible notations on tracks

(ED Note: Bang Krang campsite at 15 km marker and Phanoen Tung campsite at 30 Km, Thor Thip set off point 36 km)

a) Panoen Thung mountain At 1,207 meters above sea level, this is the second highest peak in the park. On the mountain top, grassland (about 500 square meters area) and evergreen forest make a good camping spot, with cool temperatures year-round. A 6+ kilometer hard trail (about 5 to 6 hours) to the peak begins at Panoen Thung at km. marker 30.

b) "Thorthip waterfall This 9 level waterfall, located deep in the forest, can be reached by a steep 4 kilometers trail from the end of the Nam Tok Thorthip road (km. marker 36), 55 kilometers from the headquarters. A campground has been built nearby at the confluence with the Phetburi river. (ED Note: we have a track to this already loaded as a GPX in the forum)

c) Tharnthip and Hinlad waterfall These two waterfalls cascade through deep forest. They are located on a tributary of the Phetchaburi river about 5 kilometers upstream of the Thortip confluence, and can be visited as part of a 3 or 4 day loop trekking along with Thortip waterfall. (ED Note: Maybe there is a direct track not via Thor Thip?? - Unknown)

d) Pranburi waterfall This 3 level waterfall is located on the upper Pranburi river, in the valley just south of the steep hill-climb at kilometer 18 - 23 (ED Note:?? so its at 17-18 Km?? I recall a track to the left of the road) on the Khao Panoen Thung road. It can be visited in one-day hike.

From another site ....Pranburi Waterfall is 3-tiered with flowing water all year round and is close to the Wang Won-Tho Thip Waterfall route (around kilometer marker 23).

e) Mae Laliang (Salaeng) waterfall This 3 level waterfall is located 5 kilometers west of the roadside campground at kilometer 27.

Source: http://www.trekthailand.net/central3/index.html

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09 Jul 2009 17:26 - 02 Mar 2015 06:55 #77 by
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TAT area map and details




"Rewarding treks include a daylong walk to Phanoen Thung Mountain from KM 30, and an 8-km loop trail from KM 36 to Tho Thip Waterfall and K.U. Camp on the Petchburi River. A longer 25 km trail runs from KM 27 to Mae Sariang to a point on the road near Ban Krang Camp. It is possible to engage in white-water rafting from Bong Luk to the Petchburi Reservoir. To preserve crocodile habitat, rafting is no longer permitted from K.U. Camp to Bong Luk. Contact the park headquarters to arrange ranger guides for any of these trips."

(ED note: have confirmed camping at KU camp has been suspended unless by specific permission of DNP)

Contact information:
Kaeng Krachan National Park Visitor Centre
Mu 8, Kaeng Krachan sub-district,
Kaeng Krachan district,
Phetchaburi Province
Tel: +66 (0) 3245-9291, (0) 3245-9293
Fax: +66 (0) 3245-9293

Kaeng Krachan National Park Headquarters
Tel: +66 (0) 3245-9293

(ED note: have confirmed that the Pakarang Route has now been relocated and that it cannot be driven - it is now a walking track that can be accessed at Ban Krang Camp - see specific trail route posts for the GPS data of this track as confirmed in Nov 2009: Add: In 2014 the road was reworked and re-opened but only to official vehicles as a 20 km loop to support a new ranger station.



[NOTE the road shown going NW before the 10 k marker does not exist (it can be accessed from outside the main entrance with special permission).








1 = Headquarters Note: Not in the "park" per se
2 = Kaeng Krachan district
3 = Kaeng Krachan dam lake
4 = Panoen Thung camp (km. 30)
5 = Panoen Thung peak (1207 meters)
6 = Thor Thip waterfall
7 = KU camp (rafting start point) Note this camp and the rafting do not exist anymore
8 = Petchaburi river
9 = Pong Luek Karen village
10 = Muang Kao
11 = Pranburi river
12 = Pa La U waterfall
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09 Jul 2009 17:45 - 05 Jun 2015 12:59 #78 by
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"Hanuman Plain or Khao Pakarang (corol mountain)  It is a rocky mountain looked very strange like coral. The area has a lot of monkeys, langurs and gibbons. And the area is also a good view point for enjoying scenery."





UPDATE: I walked the "Hanuman Plain" but did not see much evidence of langur or gibbon see here for details


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08 Nov 2009 02:53 #123 by Trekker
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Updates to Bang Krang Camp site has been made during the close season of 2009. the camp site is now significantly larger and with additional facilities. The roadway to Phanoengtung has also been upgraded and I actually saw a saloon car at the Tor Thip carpark! I still would not drive my own saloon up there though but you can now make it up in a rental although its still a little hairy and conditions may worsen as more vehicles now use the road for the winter season.

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15 Dec 2010 17:28 #232 by Trekker
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Baanmaka has made a good attempt at a map of the main park section and its routes, the best I have seen so far. At.............

http://www.baanmaka.com/en/en_frame/bir ... pguide.htm

BTW their little resort is really good well made and well kept and as close to the main entrance as you can currently get for a hotel. Well worth staying there IMHO. Highly recommended.

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15 Dec 2010 17:35 #233 by Trekker
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BTW 2010 has a lot of visitors to KK. I have been shocked by how many are there at the weekends this cool season - absolutely packed. Which is not really a good thing IMO (well lets be honest - not good for me as I like peace and quite like the old grump I am becoming).

There has been a lot of maintenance of the Thor Thip track, as well as KU, also and it is very easy to follow now.

TAT have been pushing the Phanoen Tung site this year and a lot of people are visiting.

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UPDATE

Second Week of December I decided to try for the Mae Salaeng waterfall site, as I figured that the chances of bumping into anyone there was very small. According to the instructions you go to the 27km marker and start from there. The 27k marker has a small "car park" and a "bird" signpost. Finding that was easy but after following the track for about 1 km it stopped at the wellhead and pump for the Panoenthung camp site and there was no sign of the track continuing on. We spent about 30 minutes searching and then searched every possibility of the track branching off on the hill. We did not find anything and had to abort.

If anyone knows more about how to find the Saleang track, or anything about it whatsoever, pls do let me know.

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14 Jun 2011 04:17 - 15 Oct 2012 12:19 #305 by jamiep
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According to my military maps, there is a second road / off road track that goes right into the heart of the park, it follows the Petchaburi River up from the reservoir.

I wonder if you have heard anything about that road. I think you said somewhere that there is a second road to the NW of the one that goes to the KU camp, possibly this is the one, you said you needed special permission to go in there. There are it seems lots of habitations by the side of the road, so you would think a fair amount of traffic going up there.

I attach a screen shot of my map again.


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14 Jun 2011 10:58 #307 by Trekker
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Yes, I found this road by accident one day, it leads to a Kariang village with about 300 residents apparently. Theres a small guard post and ranger station at the start of the track/road but they would not let us drive through without permission. I never did get time to go back and investigate more.

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15 Jun 2011 22:21 #309 by jamiep
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I found a gps trail on gpsies.com from someone going up that other road : http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=hkzvjzhsovsdasgk

So it seems it is possible to get up there at least sometimes.

This road would take you into the center of the park and presumably there are lots of trails around the Karen village. Hope I have time to check it out.

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16 Jan 2013 06:26 - 16 Jan 2013 21:07 #650 by Paul TW
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Those of you that have visited Kaeng Krachan this season will know that a lot of old routes/tracks have been re-opened this year (since the post rainy season opening) in addition to the creation of a number of waterholes by the side of the road on the bottom stretch of the road to Bang Krang Camp.

I do like the waterholes because they give those who do not go into the forest (and theres a lot of them at this time of year with it being "camping" season) a chance to glimpse some wildlife. And I figure the more people than can gain an affinity with the National Parks through the sighting of an animal the better it is for all of Thailand's National Parks and their future.

The following is a poor shot (about ISO 2500 I recall) at dusk but it proves the water holes are attracting animals already. Indeed I saw single female sambar deer at two different waterholes on Friday and Saturday night last week. I think they are a great addition to the park and if they can be kept wet in the dry season they should give lots of people the chance to catch a glimpse of wildlife.


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02 May 2013 12:40 - 02 Mar 2015 06:56 #968 by Paul TW
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Does anyone know where the trail at Km 18 goes to? (it starts at the uphill section to Paneonthung, right next to the car park of the small concrete water catchment dam).

I walked it for about 3 ks, about 2 months ago, but did not come to an end of the trail, which seemed to be moving up the valley parallel to the road.

I thought it may be Pranburi Waterfall but the Baan Maka map seems to say that trail is further up the road. Maybe the Baan Maka map shows an alternative entrance to the same trail?

Anyone know?

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From the DNP Site:

Pranburi Waterfall

This 3 levels waterfall is located on the upper Pranburi River, in the valley just south of the steep hill-climb at Km18-23 on the Khao Panoen Thung Road. It can be visited on one-day hike.

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02 May 2013 19:04 #969 by Painted Jezebel
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I was there 2 months ago. Myself and a few friends from Malaysia and Singapore took that path, it had been recommended to me by a Japanese friend, we walked about 5Km in and gave up. It should be good for insects, but we saw very little, it may have been a bad time of the year. The 3 streams crossing the road earlier on, however, were superb then for puddling species.
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07 May 2013 09:41 #971 by jonathanbkk
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Well here is what little I know of this new trail after speaking to a Ranger about it.

Originally it was created for the Thai Boy Scouts and is about 12km in length. It starts about half way up the mountain, with trail markers on the left hand side of the road.

I have managed to find what I think is the starting point of the trail (see picture) and the Ranger confirmed this (DO NOT take his information as certain).

I investigated it a few weeks ago from the top. The first 50 minutes was a very steep decent (steeper than Thor Thip) however there has been some basic trail work and its fairly safe. As it is near water there are many tracks and wallows along the way with good tree markings for animals in the area.

At the base of this is the stream that you will follow down. Decent markings exist on the trees but the trail itself seems very advanced.

My trip down was spent sitting and staking out a dhole who was circling a group of Stump Tailed Macaques, which if you have ever heard their warning call, sounds like they are dying. Too far off to get good views but made the trip very exciting

As it was dry season and I doubt many travel this trail there are tons of tracks in and around the stream.

I did see quite a lot of Elephant activity as well thus you will have to factor in possibly getting stuck on the trail and having to turn back

From this point and according to the Ranger the trail follows the stream down until it reaches the base of the mountain and the car parking area.

If you want a serious adventure then this is what you would probably need to attempt this trail.

-A Ranger guide who has done it before or helped with marking the trail
-Garmin GPS (even then you are in a river basin and I lost the signal a few times)
-2 Cars, one for the base of the mountain, one at the trail head or a ride up to the trail point
-Start as early as possible at the trail head
-2L+ of water and food to last


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07 May 2013 13:05 #973 by Paul TW
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Thank you both Les and Jonathan,

great info thanks

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05 Aug 2013 08:44 - 02 Mar 2015 06:57 #1198 by admin
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Interesting read of Mark OShea's visit to Kaeng Krachan in 2002

Mark OShea Trip to Kaeng Krachan

if anyone finds any other interesting stuff about Kaeng Krachan on the web pls post a link as I am trying to get as much info as I can as we are moving our camera trap project to Kaeng Krachan in November.

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05 Aug 2013 11:12 #1199 by Bagheera
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Great news about the camera trap project, it will surely produce some interesting results!

On a slightly more negative note I heard from several sources at the park that the remaining dirt road section from Sam Yod to Baan Krang will be tarmac'd later this year. Apparently the budget has already been approved and it is a definite go ahead. Given the speed some people drive through this section already, imagine what speeds they will drive at now with a good condition road..This has to be bad news for wildlife. One can only hope that a series of high and regular speedbumps will be put in place to slow down the weekend warriors..

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01 Mar 2015 13:14 - 01 Mar 2015 18:05 #2718 by Paul TW
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jonathanbkk wrote: Well here is what little I know of this new trail after speaking to a Ranger about it.

At the base of this is the stream that you will follow down. Decent markings exist on the trees but the trail itself seems very advanced.

From this point and according to the Ranger the trail follows the stream down until it reaches the base of the mountain and the car parking area.


We ended up, quite by accident, in the same area at the weekend after a plan to do something else on the same trail did not work out (too dry) so we headed to the bottom of Jonathan's trail but turned right instead of left. The Mae Nam Pran Waterfall (AKA Pranburi Waterfall) is just 300 meters away. Its a little less than impressive though ;+)

The forest is very nice though - the climb out less nice ;+) I think we will try and get a pic in the wet season but boy the climb in and out will be hard - fancy it Jonathan? We saw a huge tusked boar down there but I could not move to get the camera out as he had locked eyes on me. It was a veritable stand-off, him just 30 meters away - but me unable to move without making him bolt.


pardon the quality of the pic - 80-400 at 3200 ISO - hopefully Ed has a WA pic.

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Ok heres a better pic from Ed

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01 Mar 2015 23:29 - 01 Mar 2015 23:40 #2719 by onflipflops
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You are better off to park your car at km18, hitch to the starting point at about km21 - 22. Saves you the hike back up ;) Though it means you need to hike a few kms following the river downstream, but the trail is easy going, even with the 44 river crossings (starting from the km 21-22)
Nice trail, haven't had too many exciting sightings on the various occasions I walked it. Some gibbons, Dusky langurs, Crab-eating Mongooses, giant squirrels, pig-tailed macaque, stump-tailed macaque, wild boar, vine snakes, various hornbills, quite often Grey Peacock-pheasant, and sometimes Blue Pitta, but did find Leopard scrapes on various occasions, Tapir dung, old Gaur foot prints, a muntjac kill, Dhole tracks, and enough bear tracks on the trees. So it certainly has potential, if you are very lucky ;)
Starting at km24 is not recommendable. Trail is non-existent much of the time, and some quite dangerous passages when getting down along the higher Pranburi falls (max 10m high, maybe even less 7 - 8m?) which are further up stream from the ones you photographed. One minor mistake and you tumble down and are left in the jungle with some broken legs or worse.
Here some images of the highest fall. Not exactly the most beautiful waterfall around...



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02 Mar 2015 06:47 #2720 by Paul TW
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That ones much nicer! How much further is that?

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02 Mar 2015 14:21 #2721 by rushenb
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I think it was only few hundred meters up stream, at max 400-500m, probably a bit less. I have the location of all three (the first three) GPS mapped at ThaiNationalParks.com (KK section, click map link on RHC and zoom to area to see icons pop-up)..
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17 Mar 2015 00:53 #2759 by rushenb
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Thanks for the details in this topic, I tried to GPS track trails to two different locations.

Khao Patarang Cave - With one of rangers I managed to get to twin caves nearly 3.5km south from Ban Krang. The first cave was relative easy to get to, but to get to the second cave we did quite a climbing on sharp rocks, almost vertically up. With bag on my back and camera + 300 mm lens hanging on my side and no safety equipment, it was a bit scary.

Than Thip Waterfall - Same ranger promised to take me there, but despite two arrangements, he was too busy (understandable). So we didn't make it. However he showed me on map the trail, so me and onflipflops tried to find the waterfall on our own. The trail was pretty clear and easy to follow for 600-700m but it faded out and we guessed where it headed, we found a stream quite steep down which we believe was a tribute to Phetchaburi river, walked up- and down-stream on three directions (with one confluence towards two direction up-stream), no luck, we couldn't find the waterfall. The way may have been further down-stream, but at one point the water was flowing too steep down, it was very difficult to get around from both side so we gave up. I will do another try maybe about a month, maybe much later.

I also tried to get info about Mae Salaeng waterfall with my rubbish Thai skills, all I understood was that it is "impossible", probably old trails gone.

In Patarang Caves I saw bats which a tourist identified as a horseshoe bat specie. Would anyone know what specie it is?



Also saw a Jackal just few hundred meters before the trails start to caves, possibly the same jackal farting around Ban Krang;



Ps.. Anyone know where Wiman cave is? I read somewhere it is big and impressive. Perhaps something to ask next time I get there... Any other locations you suggest to get details about?

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17 Mar 2015 01:02 #2760 by rushenb
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ps.. Tan (or Tarn) Thip waterfall is not where it is shown in this old map;

www.baanmaka.com/en/en_frame/birdwatchin...atching_mapguide.htm

The trail actually start just couple of hundred meters down from Phanoen Thung campsite and goes pretty much west... I don't recommend walking the trail even if I manage to get to the waterfall, it is too hard. The area further down may however be interesting from a wildlife-watching perspective for professionals seeking a bit more "quite" location far from traffic and a place wet all year round..

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17 Mar 2015 08:21 #2762 by Paul TW
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Great info Rushen!

I tried for Mae Salaeng two years ago and failed. To be truthful I did not get more than 500 meters past the pump head when we totally lost the trail. I asked about it a few weeks ago again and got the answer that the trail had not been maintained and was not passable. I never know if they are telling me the truth or just trying to avoid the walk - inspires me to find out :+)

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17 Mar 2015 08:54 #2764 by onflipflops
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At least good to know where the trail is actually supposed to start to that Mae Salaeng waterfall.
I did an attempt to walk that trail last year not knowing about the pump nor that it would possibly lead to a waterfall, and 'discovered' the pump and the oily mess they left around it :(
Not exactly a pretty sight to walk by.
From there it was indeed not very clear which way to go.
Will give it a try again next time.

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