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14 Feb 2019 15:14 - 14 Feb 2019 15:19 #5182
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A Monk, Phra Prapop, on the last night of a month's seclusion was killed by wild elephants near Khao Ang Rue nai Wildlife Sanctuary in Chachoengsao.
On the morning of February 12, a monk from Sammadang monastery returned Phra Prapop’s seclusion site, but found his tent smashed to pieces. Phra Prapop's dead and broken body was about 15 metres away.
On the morning of February 12, a monk from Sammadang monastery returned Phra Prapop’s seclusion site, but found his tent smashed to pieces. Phra Prapop's dead and broken body was about 15 metres away.
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17 Feb 2019 07:17 #5183
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Saichon Srisawat, 50, was discovered, on February 15 2019, in undergrowth by the side of the road in the Huay Sat Yai sub-district of Hua Hin that is within the Kaeng Krachan national park. She had been trampled to death by elephants. Her arms and legs were all broken and her skull was fractured. There were elephant footprints all around.
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31 Oct 2019 20:13 #5385
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Another death by Elephant in Chachoengsao area. Again on a Chachoengsao eucalyptus plantation, which seem to be quite "common" along with rubber plantations bordering the Eastern Forest Complex.
www.nationthailand.com/news/30377938
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08 Sep 2020 12:58 - 08 Sep 2020 13:05 #5477
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Another serious human elephant conflict attack in the eastern provinces on a migrant family that camped near where the elephants are know to roam outside the parks of the Eastern Forest complex.
thethaiger.com/news/eastern-thailand/fam...fter-elephant-attack
thethaiger.com/news/eastern-thailand/fam...fter-elephant-attack
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09 Sep 2020 21:10 #5479
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Not an elephant, but perhaps interesting to note that again one of the hornbill researchers got attacked by a Gaur. Apparently he was 'lucky' and got away with 'just' a fractured leg. Not sure where it happened. I've seen this researcher many times in Khao Yai, but I guess that is not the only place he studies. Something similar happened years ago, though I believe that time the researcher was more seriously injured.
And tv news was just showing an Asian Black Bear attack. I only saw a bit of it, but the reconstruction showed two ladies and a guy all getting attacked. Near some sugar cane plantation. I didn't hear where this took place
And tv news was just showing an Asian Black Bear attack. I only saw a bit of it, but the reconstruction showed two ladies and a guy all getting attacked. Near some sugar cane plantation. I didn't hear where this took place
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20 Sep 2020 19:15 #5490
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What is the advice for approaching or being in close proximity to gaurs then? What sort of distance is safe and what's their general temperament? Should they be treated with the same caution as elephants?
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20 Sep 2020 20:11 #5492
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Well, my personal experience with them is that they tend to be shy and take off before you get close (with the exception of a couple areas where they are more used to seeing people).
My guess is that most cases where it goes wrong is probably when the Gaur are resting/ hiding in dense forest and a person unknowingly gets in close vicinity. But to be fair I have never heard the full stories of these attacks. I only know of one person who seemed to have walked into a situation as I just described.
As with most animals if you get too close they might choose to charge rather than flee.
And to be fair, I think in the case with Gaur there is at that stage not a whole lot you can do. Some say you should lay down on your belly perpendicular to the walking direction of the Gaur. and then hope for the best. It might jump over you. They have quite poor eyesight is my experience. I have been very close standing alone in an open grassland at quite close range and even though they were looking in my direction, me being perfectly visible, it felt like they were just looking right through me. I think only if you make a move that they will actually recognize you as a danger. But when you are laying on your belly, you could be unlucky and it might step on you which I expect to hurt quite a bit...
I guess if any chance I would hide behind trees or better, climb up a tree, but again, if you spook a gaur at close range, it is highly unlikely you get up a tree faster than the gaur can get to you.
In my personal opinion they are much more scary than elephants. Especially because they are much faster, and even more quiet in the forest. Fortunately they usually will probably hear you coming and get away.
I guess if nowhere to hide behind, I would try to move as a Spanish bull fighter haha. Try to jump away last minute and then hopefully try to get away. Surely we humans are more agile, but definitely won't win when it comes to running in a straight line. Still even that would probably only work if you see it coming.
My guess is that most cases where it goes wrong is probably when the Gaur are resting/ hiding in dense forest and a person unknowingly gets in close vicinity. But to be fair I have never heard the full stories of these attacks. I only know of one person who seemed to have walked into a situation as I just described.
As with most animals if you get too close they might choose to charge rather than flee.
And to be fair, I think in the case with Gaur there is at that stage not a whole lot you can do. Some say you should lay down on your belly perpendicular to the walking direction of the Gaur. and then hope for the best. It might jump over you. They have quite poor eyesight is my experience. I have been very close standing alone in an open grassland at quite close range and even though they were looking in my direction, me being perfectly visible, it felt like they were just looking right through me. I think only if you make a move that they will actually recognize you as a danger. But when you are laying on your belly, you could be unlucky and it might step on you which I expect to hurt quite a bit...
I guess if any chance I would hide behind trees or better, climb up a tree, but again, if you spook a gaur at close range, it is highly unlikely you get up a tree faster than the gaur can get to you.
In my personal opinion they are much more scary than elephants. Especially because they are much faster, and even more quiet in the forest. Fortunately they usually will probably hear you coming and get away.
I guess if nowhere to hide behind, I would try to move as a Spanish bull fighter haha. Try to jump away last minute and then hopefully try to get away. Surely we humans are more agile, but definitely won't win when it comes to running in a straight line. Still even that would probably only work if you see it coming.
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30 Sep 2020 13:43 #5494
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I have run into Guar a few times on trails and yes typically they run away however its not always the norm and I would say they are quite unpredictable, especially in close proximity or if you somehow startle them
-recently a ranger had 4 ribs broken by a guar, they were moving down the trail and startled a young bull who was behind dense brush and it hit him from the side and continued to run away, I would categorize this attack as fear since it didnt stick around
-the above happened previously to a japanese photographer at Pang Sida, same story, hit from the side and ran off
-there is a famous HKK story of a foreigner "shooting a male guar" in self defense as he reported that it continued to attack him
-be aware of the high pitched call they can make, this is probably your only verbal warning your too close or the guar is escalating the situation and also its extremely loud and shocking to hear
-I have had 4 close encounters, 3 of them they turned and ran upon seeing me, 1 a bull and younger bull lined up next to each other potentially as they viewed me as a predator, I turned around and ran for this one
A few things to consider from talking to rangers and which i find interesting:
-guars may not like the texture of running on pavement (heard this from rangers at KY who got charged)
-guars like elephants do not run very well up or down hills, thus keep this in your exit plan if your ever charged especially as mentioned you may have no time to get up a tree
-if you can get it, carry bear spray. I carry one that can shoot up to about 15m and it makes me feel a lot better on trails. Although i dont know anyone to use it in Thailand, I feel that guars, bears, and elephants would likely be quite quick to leave if hit by pepper spray
-guars in open grasslands seem to be quite relaxed, especially if they get used to you being there but I would still say you need to be 80-100m away for your own safety.
Like elephants, i would classify guars as "passive aggressive" and I think your not going to have a lot of time if things go bad so do your best to stay out of situations where your challenging them
-recently a ranger had 4 ribs broken by a guar, they were moving down the trail and startled a young bull who was behind dense brush and it hit him from the side and continued to run away, I would categorize this attack as fear since it didnt stick around
-the above happened previously to a japanese photographer at Pang Sida, same story, hit from the side and ran off
-there is a famous HKK story of a foreigner "shooting a male guar" in self defense as he reported that it continued to attack him
-be aware of the high pitched call they can make, this is probably your only verbal warning your too close or the guar is escalating the situation and also its extremely loud and shocking to hear
-I have had 4 close encounters, 3 of them they turned and ran upon seeing me, 1 a bull and younger bull lined up next to each other potentially as they viewed me as a predator, I turned around and ran for this one
A few things to consider from talking to rangers and which i find interesting:
-guars may not like the texture of running on pavement (heard this from rangers at KY who got charged)
-guars like elephants do not run very well up or down hills, thus keep this in your exit plan if your ever charged especially as mentioned you may have no time to get up a tree
-if you can get it, carry bear spray. I carry one that can shoot up to about 15m and it makes me feel a lot better on trails. Although i dont know anyone to use it in Thailand, I feel that guars, bears, and elephants would likely be quite quick to leave if hit by pepper spray
-guars in open grasslands seem to be quite relaxed, especially if they get used to you being there but I would still say you need to be 80-100m away for your own safety.
Like elephants, i would classify guars as "passive aggressive" and I think your not going to have a lot of time if things go bad so do your best to stay out of situations where your challenging them
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13 Nov 2020 08:28 - 13 Nov 2020 08:30 #5518
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Yet another farmer killed by wild elephants in the eastern area of Thailand, this time Chonburi. The Human Elephant Conflict (HEC) issues in the eastern forest complex areas seem to be on the rise.
mgronline.com/local/detail/9630000117034
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25 Nov 2020 05:44 #5519
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Another person just killed by an elephant in Thailand, this time from Thong Pha Phum National Park in Kanchanburi. A monk was attacked and killed in the early morning.
www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/202...t-near-national-park
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