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Kaeng Krachan birding checks

04 Jun 2018 15:31 - 04 Jun 2018 15:39 #4942 by INFO
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We know many of you have already voiced concerns over some of the "pressures" put on some nesting birds in Kaeng Krachan by large groups and the like.

These concerns have been voiced this week by the Chief of Kaeng Krachan National Park as well who has formally instructed staff to place barriers around some of the well known nests, as well as regularly patrol the areas to ensure that birders are using blinds and not overly disturbing the birds. Anyone found to be overly pressuring these sites by breaking rules and guidance of officials will be asked to leave the park.

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04 Jun 2018 16:46 #4943 by bootly66
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Totally agree...
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04 Jun 2018 16:52 #4944 by jonathanbkk
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yah its a good thing, I saw 20+ cars and 10+ people piled into blinds this weekend, amazing the birds dont abandon completely
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20 Jun 2018 07:45 - 20 Jun 2018 07:47 #4965 by INFO
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Its a great job they are doing - they have roped off the areas to a "safe" distance, installed cameras and patrol every couple of hours. The cameras caught 3 individuals going inside the roped areas between the patrols last week. They are also manning the KM 18 vehicle check point throughout the day to stop errant drivers.

Great work by the Chief.
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20 Jun 2018 08:14 #4966 by bootly66
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good work.. agreed..Hopefully the offenders will be named and shamed. I have witnessed many acts of "gardening" and nest disturbance over the years. I even caught a guy years back with his hand in a b/n monarchs nest, "checking to see what was in there". When it was reported, nothing was done, probably as the rangers hadn't actually witnessed it.. The rangers I know at KK do a great job, but they are often not aware of what goes on out of sight. For example I am not against playback used in moderation, but am also aware of predator playback being used around nesting sites to distress the birds and bring them closer, which of course is not acceptable. Warning and educating offenders would be the answer in the real world, but i feel this would just not work with most... A clear warning of naming and shaming may work but could also cause a negative response by accused offenders.
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01 Jul 2018 16:02 #4973 by Geoff Potter
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I have voluntarily stopped photographing the birds when they are nesting. Inside the park I would advocate a complete ban on photographing certain rarer species when they are breeding as per the UK. Predator play back? That's a new one, how low can you get.
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01 Jul 2018 16:35 #4974 by bootly66
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I wouldn't want a complete ban, but I do see where you are coming from. Ideally, limited numbers and maybe a booking system, also with the lenses used by most photographers and cropping of pictures there really is no need to be so close. Hides could be set up much further back, but as I say, I really couldn't see it working as even the camera set up to monitor the birders had it's lens covered over by one person on one of the days.

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01 Jul 2018 17:17 - 01 Jul 2018 18:03 #4975 by bootly66
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was glad to get my picture though
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01 Jul 2018 18:17 - 01 Jul 2018 18:19 #4976 by Paul T
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Its going to be interesting to see where this all goes. Keang Krachan National Park is becoming more and more popular, birding is becoming more and more popular, natural history photography is becoming more popular, guiding is becoming a real money spinner for a few locals (I saw the KM 18 dwarf kingfisher site set up with 13 hides in advance of a group tour coming in) which will mean more join it as a business no doubt.

Maybe its time for the DNP to bring in the BCST to get a sustainable access plan sorted for all sites, and develop some ethical guidelines and training materials. I am reminded of the adage "it will get worse before it gets better"

Great photos BTW ;+)
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02 Jul 2018 11:09 #4977 by onflipflops
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I am no bird photographer and as much as possible try to avoid any bird photography sites. So I do not know exactly what goes on around these sites. But my view is that KKC is a 2900+ km2 park with only a very narrow strip of forest being actively visited by photographers. I think most of them have never been more than 100m deep into the forest. The birds who chose to nest in this area seem to do fine most of the time. The Blue-banded Kingfisher which I assume is one of the most popular subjects currently, has not yet abandonded its nest, right? At least I still see pics being posted on a regular basis.
Some birds choose to nest right above the road, and might even benefit from the human presence because it might keep some predators at bay. IN most cases they seem to bring up their young just fine.
Surely an ideal situation would be that we all stay at home. But to be honest I think there are more serious things to worry about.
The approach of the park to put up those blue ropes for a minimum distance, is a great idea. And I think that is sufficient. Surely some might occasionally sneak in (maybe accidentally; last week I was not sure on which side of the rope the nest was. I was not there to look for birds, I hope I walked up on the right side. I do not wish my ass getting kicked out of the park for not knowing, haha...).
I think, despite everyone having its own views on ethics, that all of them are doing their best not to scare off the birds, because that would be like throwing in your own windows. I hope the photographers are smart enough to know that if they go too close, they will not get anything.
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