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Over 400 species of birds are known to occur within the Park’s boundaries, and 57 mammals. Larger mammals include elephant, gaur, sambar deer, banteng, serow, and bear, indo-chinese tiger, leopard, both common and Fea’s muntjac. Malayan tapir, white-handed gibbon, dusky and banded langurs, Asian wild dog, otter, and wild boar.
2 nights on our own
16 Nov 2016 19:40 - 23 Nov 2016 08:08 #4048
by michi777
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Hi!
we love deep nature away from tourism and if possible on our own (gpx\accupack\offlinecard), but i don't know if this is OK for this area (dangerous\navigation).
In europe we do big hikes every month on our own and enjoy to be one with the nature.
On our thailand trip on december we want to get 2 nights into the rainforest.
I think Kang Krachan is not that commercial like Erawan and bigger\ontouched.
We have our own car and a thai friend is with us...
Questions:
1)Where should we drive\park the car as start point (possible till the deep camp with a normal car)?
2)Can we go on our own the forest tracks with gpx\offline map or do we need somebody?
...do u have some gpx tracks for us?
3)Do u have a nice contact for us who can if needed guide us and cheap tent sleep?
Thanks a lot & Best Regards
Mike
we love deep nature away from tourism and if possible on our own (gpx\accupack\offlinecard), but i don't know if this is OK for this area (dangerous\navigation).
In europe we do big hikes every month on our own and enjoy to be one with the nature.
On our thailand trip on december we want to get 2 nights into the rainforest.
I think Kang Krachan is not that commercial like Erawan and bigger\ontouched.
We have our own car and a thai friend is with us...
Questions:
1)Where should we drive\park the car as start point (possible till the deep camp with a normal car)?
2)Can we go on our own the forest tracks with gpx\offline map or do we need somebody?
...do u have some gpx tracks for us?
3)Do u have a nice contact for us who can if needed guide us and cheap tent sleep?
Thanks a lot & Best Regards
Mike
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16 Nov 2016 20:57 - 17 Nov 2016 08:07 #4049
by Paul T
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1)Where should we drive\park the car as start point (possible till the deep camp with a normal car)?
With a normal car you can get to Baan Krang (16 kms from park entrance) - further if you are not bothered about the car :+)
2)Can we go on our own the forest tracks with gpx\offline map or do we need somebody?
...do u have some gpx tracks for us?
There are forest tracks you can go alone such as the excellent "Tor Thip" , you don't really need a GPX for this as the trail is very strong. I don't think anyone is going to recommend you going it alone or GPSing off piste as tropical forests are something of a speciality - people get lost and sometimes die - its a lot more common that you would think. Going away from the camp site overnight is a strict no no in KK - for your own safety as well as being DNP rules. If you don't have any knowledge of tropical forest a guide is highly recommended not only for enabling you to see and understand the forest and its inhabitants but also for your own safety (i.e getting lost). If you just want to relax and walk on the established tracks, the Baan Krang area is good - go mid week if you want solitude (applies to all parks to be true). Also if you are really into walking and trails you may also want to consider Khao Yai - its set up a lot better for walkers with a myriad of good trails.
3)Do u have a nice contact for us who can if needed guide us and cheap tent sleep?
You can post in the "find a guide/buddy" forum or check out the "galleries - Thai Nature weblinks" menu at the top of the page - choosing "guides" will give you a selection you can contact (note: many of the guides listed may only do birding - its very popular esp in KK) - tents are also available for hire in the camp sites from the DNP. Your Thai friend would also be an asset in arranging something before your arrival or arranging travel from Baan Krang to the Thor Thip trail ( a good distance past Panoenthung).
Have a GREAT time!
With a normal car you can get to Baan Krang (16 kms from park entrance) - further if you are not bothered about the car :+)
2)Can we go on our own the forest tracks with gpx\offline map or do we need somebody?
...do u have some gpx tracks for us?
There are forest tracks you can go alone such as the excellent "Tor Thip" , you don't really need a GPX for this as the trail is very strong. I don't think anyone is going to recommend you going it alone or GPSing off piste as tropical forests are something of a speciality - people get lost and sometimes die - its a lot more common that you would think. Going away from the camp site overnight is a strict no no in KK - for your own safety as well as being DNP rules. If you don't have any knowledge of tropical forest a guide is highly recommended not only for enabling you to see and understand the forest and its inhabitants but also for your own safety (i.e getting lost). If you just want to relax and walk on the established tracks, the Baan Krang area is good - go mid week if you want solitude (applies to all parks to be true). Also if you are really into walking and trails you may also want to consider Khao Yai - its set up a lot better for walkers with a myriad of good trails.
3)Do u have a nice contact for us who can if needed guide us and cheap tent sleep?
You can post in the "find a guide/buddy" forum or check out the "galleries - Thai Nature weblinks" menu at the top of the page - choosing "guides" will give you a selection you can contact (note: many of the guides listed may only do birding - its very popular esp in KK) - tents are also available for hire in the camp sites from the DNP. Your Thai friend would also be an asset in arranging something before your arrival or arranging travel from Baan Krang to the Thor Thip trail ( a good distance past Panoenthung).
Have a GREAT time!
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18 Nov 2016 16:55 #4052
by Robby L
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Hi Mike
2 places I would recommend that are a bit off the beaten track and likely to have few visitors.
The first is the Mae Wong River (GPS 15.913186- 99.326779)
You can camp by the river close to the houses for rent and drive up a road 5 KM up the river then walk up other roads farther into the forest.
The other is Huai Mae Dee which is a ranger station of Huai Kha Kaeng Wildlife Sanctuary ( 15.183575- 99.273325, on the road in)
This is accessed through Ban Rai then follow the road to the end. There are some hairy log bridges to cross on the dirt road in but they are safer than they look. There is a camping ground and toilets and unlikely to be anyone else there You can then walk up a road farther into the forest or down a track to a stream and go either up or down the stream.
Robby
2 places I would recommend that are a bit off the beaten track and likely to have few visitors.
The first is the Mae Wong River (GPS 15.913186- 99.326779)
You can camp by the river close to the houses for rent and drive up a road 5 KM up the river then walk up other roads farther into the forest.
The other is Huai Mae Dee which is a ranger station of Huai Kha Kaeng Wildlife Sanctuary ( 15.183575- 99.273325, on the road in)
This is accessed through Ban Rai then follow the road to the end. There are some hairy log bridges to cross on the dirt road in but they are safer than they look. There is a camping ground and toilets and unlikely to be anyone else there You can then walk up a road farther into the forest or down a track to a stream and go either up or down the stream.
Robby
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22 Nov 2016 17:10 #4070
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Hi!
thanks for your answers!
1)
I think the TorTip Track would be great for our "hike-day on our own".
On the heigt difference picture i see that 400hm to deepest point and then it continues 500hm up.
...in which height are the waterfalls and is the 4-6h for 2x up to the high point of the scale or just go to deepest point and backway only track up?
2)
On first arrive we also have a nearly full day - can u prefer us a 2nd hike or should we just go easy near the camp and chill in the nature with hammok?
3)
It would be really impressing to make a little night-wildlife tour with a ranger.
Are the rangers opened for that or u have a nice contact for us?
4)
If i think about the snakes\spiders\wildcats\monkeys - do we may have danger to get bite or attack on daytime or mostly shy and go away before we see them near?
5)
If there is a bite\contact with a rabies danger animal - do the camp's have a injection\doctor for that or how to get out as fast as needed in case of a poison\rabies dangered bite?
6)
Is somebody of you in the Nationalpark from 18\19th december to join together a nice time in nature?
7)
I didnt made rabies-vaccination, because very expensive and the other basic injection (incl. japan enc.) where already expensive.
Is rabies vaccinations needed for thailand and our time in nature?
Thanks & Best Regards
Mike
thanks for your answers!
1)
I think the TorTip Track would be great for our "hike-day on our own".
On the heigt difference picture i see that 400hm to deepest point and then it continues 500hm up.
...in which height are the waterfalls and is the 4-6h for 2x up to the high point of the scale or just go to deepest point and backway only track up?
2)
On first arrive we also have a nearly full day - can u prefer us a 2nd hike or should we just go easy near the camp and chill in the nature with hammok?
3)
It would be really impressing to make a little night-wildlife tour with a ranger.
Are the rangers opened for that or u have a nice contact for us?
4)
If i think about the snakes\spiders\wildcats\monkeys - do we may have danger to get bite or attack on daytime or mostly shy and go away before we see them near?
5)
If there is a bite\contact with a rabies danger animal - do the camp's have a injection\doctor for that or how to get out as fast as needed in case of a poison\rabies dangered bite?
6)
Is somebody of you in the Nationalpark from 18\19th december to join together a nice time in nature?
7)
I didnt made rabies-vaccination, because very expensive and the other basic injection (incl. japan enc.) where already expensive.
Is rabies vaccinations needed for thailand and our time in nature?
Thanks & Best Regards
Mike
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23 Nov 2016 08:07 - 23 Nov 2016 08:13 #4074
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The waterfall is about 2/3rd of way down - you can take the left fork and see the waterfall in full view, then double back and take the right fork and it will take you to level 9 (I think) of the waterfall. The bottom of the data plot is the Phetchaburi river.
What to do on your first day - up to you, there are trails at Baan Krang as well as it being a nice place to relax. 18th is a weekday so will be quiet.
Wildlife - don't approach or attempt to touch anything should be your mantra. Of course the insects will bite you regardless of your attempts to the contrary.
Medical facilities at camp - errrr I sincerely doubt there will be much more than a basic first aid box. Medical advice - we can't give you medical advice but I would doubt if any of the regular board members here have been inoculated for anything, I know I have not.
What to do on your first day - up to you, there are trails at Baan Krang as well as it being a nice place to relax. 18th is a weekday so will be quiet.
Wildlife - don't approach or attempt to touch anything should be your mantra. Of course the insects will bite you regardless of your attempts to the contrary.
Medical facilities at camp - errrr I sincerely doubt there will be much more than a basic first aid box. Medical advice - we can't give you medical advice but I would doubt if any of the regular board members here have been inoculated for anything, I know I have not.
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14 Dec 2016 16:55 #4099
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Hi!
about to get there:
1.We go by car from Bangkok to HQ of Kaeng Krachan (~2 hours) to reach the entrance in opening time 06:00-07:30
2.We drive with normal car to camp 1 and park there - then we ask there a ranger to bring us to camp 2
3.1st day we enjoy nature around the camp and 2nd day we make the thor tip hike on our own incl. gps\offlinemap
4.After 2 nights in the morning we ask ranger to bring us to camp 1 and then we exit national park on the exit time of 09:00-11:00
Questions:
1.Do i have to worry about something like insurance of private borrowed car or some crazy traffic?
2.To drive to camp 1 not danger for the car, yeah?
3.Will be somebody on camp 1 to bring us to camp 2 and back?
4.No danger of animals on that track if we be sensitive and not go to near them?
Thanks
about to get there:
1.We go by car from Bangkok to HQ of Kaeng Krachan (~2 hours) to reach the entrance in opening time 06:00-07:30
2.We drive with normal car to camp 1 and park there - then we ask there a ranger to bring us to camp 2
3.1st day we enjoy nature around the camp and 2nd day we make the thor tip hike on our own incl. gps\offlinemap
4.After 2 nights in the morning we ask ranger to bring us to camp 1 and then we exit national park on the exit time of 09:00-11:00
Questions:
1.Do i have to worry about something like insurance of private borrowed car or some crazy traffic?
2.To drive to camp 1 not danger for the car, yeah?
3.Will be somebody on camp 1 to bring us to camp 2 and back?
4.No danger of animals on that track if we be sensitive and not go to near them?
Thanks
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14 Dec 2016 20:30 #4100
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BKK - to HQ KK is more like 3hrs+
If you want to go up to 2nd camp on that same day, you need to reach camp 1 before 7:30AM (driving up from camp 1 to camp 2 is allowed between 5:30 - 7:30AM), and preferably quite a bit earlier because there might not be a vehicle available, so then they have to call someone in from outside. And if that is the case it will likely take an hour before the vehicle has reached the 1st camp.
Anyway, in other words, you will likely not make it up to the top camp ;-)
So then you need to wait till 13:00 to go up.
1. If you mean theft, then I think you have nothing to worry about. Biggest risk (read: very small risk) is that an elephant starts playing with your car. But of course you always need to take car insurance.
2. It is safe to drive in the park, certainly a lot safer than on the roads outside the park.
3. I already mentioned that above.
4. Tracks proof there could be elephants on the Thorthip trail, though I have never encountered one on that particular trail. Same counts for bears, tigers, or leopards. Keeping distance will be sufficient in almost all cases. There is always a risk, but as mentioned at 2. the roads outside the park are more dangerous than any of the walking trails inside the park.
If you want to go up to 2nd camp on that same day, you need to reach camp 1 before 7:30AM (driving up from camp 1 to camp 2 is allowed between 5:30 - 7:30AM), and preferably quite a bit earlier because there might not be a vehicle available, so then they have to call someone in from outside. And if that is the case it will likely take an hour before the vehicle has reached the 1st camp.
Anyway, in other words, you will likely not make it up to the top camp ;-)
So then you need to wait till 13:00 to go up.
1. If you mean theft, then I think you have nothing to worry about. Biggest risk (read: very small risk) is that an elephant starts playing with your car. But of course you always need to take car insurance.
2. It is safe to drive in the park, certainly a lot safer than on the roads outside the park.
3. I already mentioned that above.
4. Tracks proof there could be elephants on the Thorthip trail, though I have never encountered one on that particular trail. Same counts for bears, tigers, or leopards. Keeping distance will be sufficient in almost all cases. There is always a risk, but as mentioned at 2. the roads outside the park are more dangerous than any of the walking trails inside the park.
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23 Apr 2017 10:33 #4370
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As the follow on posts for this message contained some very useful information and comments on searching for a guide for an individualized experience we have moved it to its own thread at:
wildlifethailand.com/kunena/need-a-guide...de-for-our-next-trip
wildlifethailand.com/kunena/need-a-guide...de-for-our-next-trip
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