× Over 400 species of birds are known to occur within the Park’s boundaries, and 57 mammals. Larger mammals include elephant, gaur, sambar deer, banteng, serow, and bear, indo-chinese tiger, leopard, both common and Fea’s muntjac. Malayan tapir, white-handed gibbon, dusky and banded langurs, Asian wild dog, otter, and wild boar.

My next visit...

26 Sep 2017 18:55 - 05 Nov 2017 14:51 #4634 by zuppi
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I have the opportunity to visit Thailand on a business trip towards end of November. I have been here before , and visited Khao Yai national Park for two days, having a really good time. This time I want to stay a bit longer and would like to visit Kaeng Krachan. I would like to stay at Ban Krang Camp. I read that I can rent a tent there and have some questions about this:
  • Are these tents fixed, meaning already set up or do I just get the equipment and have to do it myself? Reason being that i have stayed in so called 'Tented Camps' in South Africa and Namibia, are they comparable?
  • Where would I have to book? Or is it safe enough just to arrive and organise it on the spot?
  • Or are there any accomodation inside the park which you could recommend?
Any help appreciated! I might have many more questions later, just try to get my bearings.
Regards from Switzerland

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26 Sep 2017 19:31 - 27 Sep 2017 09:18 #4635 by admin
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Hi Zuppi, and looking forward to see what you photograph in Kaeng Krachan, you had a brilliant haul of species on your Khao Yai trip.

To answer your questions ......


Are these tents fixed, meaning already set up or do I just get the equipment and have to do it myself? Reason being that i have stayed in so called 'Tented Camps' in South Africa and Namibia, are they comparable?

The tents, mats and bags are rented from the Baan Krang substation (at the Baan Krang campsite) - just go to the reception "booth" and tell them what you need and they will give you to set up anywhere in the campsite you wish or even put them up for you if you need. They are bog standard nylon tents ( see this us.123rf.com/450wm/ongkachakon/ongkachak...the-forest.jpg?ver=6 ) that would sleep two comfortably.

In November supply should not be an issue, theres still not a lot of people there and the "winter" camping season has not started just yet. Baan Krang is a small campsite within the park and mid week it is empty. It is a much more intimate experience than Khao Yai - placing you right in the forest. Saturday brings in Bangkokians and locals for the weekend but as long as its not a long weekend it should not be a problem. If a long weekend - urrgghhh ;+)


Where would I have to book? Or is it safe enough just to arrive and organise it on the spot?

Its safe enough just to arrive - not sure if you can book - maybe someone else here knows?

Or are there any accomodation inside the park which you could recommend?

Inside the park there is no accommodation that the public can stay at.
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26 Sep 2017 20:41 #4636 by zuppi
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Thank you for the fast reply. f course I will bring my camera... but I will be without the competent guides I had last time ;-( For some reason they currently do not offer their services.
I will hire a car, do I need an SUV or is normal Sedan sufficient? I believe the rainy season should end by that time... but with the climate change who knows these days.
Regards Daniel

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26 Sep 2017 21:34 #4637 by onflipflops
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I think it is not really possible to book tents in advance at Baan Krang camp. But as Paul mentioned, showing up and booking on site should be fine, certainly if you arrive on a weekday. Usually the rangers will pitch the tent for you, if they have not pitched one yet.

An SUV or pick up truck would allow you to go beyond km18 and drive to Panoen Thung camp and further. Sedan cars are not allowed beyond km18, so that means you miss out on about another 18 kilometres of road through different habitat.
Still the area from the main gate till km18 is certainly interesting to spent a couple days.
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27 Sep 2017 14:48 #4640 by zuppi
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thank you for your help!

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29 Sep 2017 09:03 #4642 by Robby L
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Better make it 4WD to go up to Panoen Thung camp as there are parts of the road, particularly if wet, that need 4WD.

I have found on my last couple of trips to Baan Krang that the short piece of road from the ford going toward the youth camp to the staff only barrier has a lot of easy to see bird activity as well as plenty of mammal tracks and the occasional sighting.

There is also a branch road that runs up behind the youth camp that is worth the walk.
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30 Oct 2017 18:51 #4676 by zuppi
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Unfortunately I cannot find a place to hire a 4WD... only SUV's (All Wheel). Does anyone have a pointer?

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30 Oct 2017 19:48 #4677 by Paul TW
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I have been driving it throughout the closed season, when its wet its bad but 2 weeks ago it had started to dry out, and of course should get drier and drier now until the end of March - so as along as you have clearance on the vehicle you hire you will be OK, going slow. As long as its not been raining heavily.........you should be fine with something like an SUV or similar with an OK clearance. Just make sure there is plenty of tread on the tires when you pick it up.

My last trip up, it was more bone jarring than slippy and I did not use 4WD on my truck. I had wheel spin in the trickier 3 spots that exist but nothing concerning.
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30 Oct 2017 21:41 #4678 by zuppi
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Thanks Paul,

so I just call you when I get stuck ;-)
I planned three days at Kaeng Krachan , then two at Kui buri and one at Khao Sam Poi Yot. Looking forward to this ;-). That should give me some variety and not too much driving. (Acc. to Google map all in all around 12 hours).

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01 Nov 2017 17:54 #4680 by zuppi
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Another question... sorry to bother
Where can I buy some good 'Leech socks' ?

Thanks & Regards Daniel

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05 Nov 2017 19:19 #4684 by Paul TW
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You could try Amazon. Here in Thailand they are available in the camping sections of most big stores - to be honest I never found any I got on with, so gave up using them a few years or so ago. Now I to entertain myself seeing if I can flick them into the distance - they always come back though ;+)

FYI for your 3 locations this year you shouldn't need them in mid November onwards. If you do buy some avoid the "shiny nylon" ones - they slip down inside your boot/shoe if the sock section is nylon. Nylon uppers are OK. Just plain cotton are probably the most common and cost effective.
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12 Dec 2017 15:04 #4730 by zuppi
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It's already more than a week since I'm back from Thailand. As expected it was great and as promised I will share some of my pictures. Kaeng Krachan was not as 'productive' in terms of Wildlife as I was hoping, saw only some dusky leaf monkey, once some gibbons and some smaller things.




As I stayed at the Baan Maka Nature Lodge, Ian was very helpful and organised two half days at some hides nearby, but in general the nights in the lodges garden was very interesting:













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13 Dec 2017 12:15 #4731 by onflipflops
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Thanks for sharing your pics!
Kaeng Krachan is not an easy park. As you have probably noticed, Khao Yai national park is generally more productive.
The great draw of Kaeng Krachan is the lower visitor numbers (even though weekends these days get crowded; but at least whenever you hit a trail on foot, you are unlikely to meet any humans.) and the park has a more impressive species list than Khao Yai, but most are species you almost certainly are not going to see on a relatively short visit of a couple days. However, it is the species list what keeps it exciting especially for naturalists living in Thailand, because returning often will sooner or later hopefully reveal those rarities.
For most people interested in wildlife watching coming from overseas for holiday, I would recommend Khao Yai over Kaeng Krachan. The consistent success I have had in Khao Yai, I have not experienced in any other park in Thailand. At least if you like to see a variety of mammals, birds and herpetofauna.

I think a few reasons for this are better accessibility in Khao Yai (better trail and road network).
Another reason is the higher visitor numbers. That might be the opposite from what you expect, but you can see the same effect worldwide in the most famous popular parks. Go to the big African parks and the lions and whatever other animals just sit down next to your car. Some people think this is unnatural, but actually it is not. It is for the same reason why a deer not runs off when it sees an elephant. They know the elephant is not going to do them any harm, so there is no need to worry. Tourists are not hunting them, so the animals become relaxed over time and will just continue doing what they would be doing if you were not around. So showing their real natural behavior.
In Khao Yai, both the road and trail networks allow visitors to have better access to a much larger area and that together with the continuous higher visitor numbers means more animals get exposed to people on a daily basis and therefore get the chance to learn that these people are not harming them.
Therefore e.g. lots of the gibbon families in Khao Yai will allow you to get relatively close. In Kaeng Krachan there are only a couple gibbon families near the roads that are more habituated to humans, but many of the families even those having territories close to the road are very shy and most of the time you see not more than a glimpse, or jut moving branches.

The Dusky langurs are mostly calm near the roads. But as soon as you get on the trails where very few people venture they are extremely shy, and you will hear them rushing away in the tree tops even when you are still 100-200m+ away.

It is nice to be away from the people, but it comes at a cost ;-)
For primates Kaeng Krachan is quite nice, with a bit of effort especially if you have a couple days it should be possible to see 4 - 5 primate species. But often enough, in terms of bigger mammals, there is not a lot more you will see. But for birdlife and herpetofauna, Kaeng Krachan is pretty good.
Kaeng Krachan definitely has potential, and if night drives were allowed, it would definitely significantly increase the number of mammals. But as of now, that is not allowed.
Or otherwise you just need a bit more luck ;-)

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13 Dec 2017 14:36 #4732 by zuppi
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@onflipfliops, thanks fr your (detailed) input. Maybe I sounded like I was complaining, that was definitely not my intention. As wildlife hobby photographer I'm well aware of the fact that wildlife is 'wild', unpredictable and often a matter of luck. And I had a great time, it was simply a comment, not a complaint ;-)

What was very helpful, was Ian from the Baan Maka lodge, he was a source to much information and showed me a lot of smaller things at his lodge. Also organised two visits to hides, Lung Sin and the other I forgot the name :-( . Both hides were nice, but (no complaint, just comment) far from ideal for photographers point of view: too dark, light from the wrong side, food just piled up making it obvious, a bit too far away and too many branches tied up, so it was difficult not to have something in front or in the background. One could see that it was not organised by someone who is into photography, but all this could easely be improved with the help of someone who is.

So much to the background, here some more pictures (taken at the hides and at Baan Maka):





















more to follow...

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13 Dec 2017 15:52 #4733 by onflipflops
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Don't worry, I did not take your comments as a complaint ;-) . You added that you enjoyed your trip. It was more general information for any other visitors who read the post and plan to come to Thailand for the first time and wish to see some wildlife. Often they think that in the more quiet parks they will have a better chance, but that is usually not the case. Still as an overall experience it might be more pleasant in a quiet park and if you take it for granted that you might not see as much it is beautiful to visit all these places.

Seems like you did get lucky with the Yellow-Throated Marten sighting!
Cool! And the Ferruginous Partridge!

The pond heron shot is really nice. Is that from the little hide Ian put up at the little lake on their property?

I have never visited those bird hides. But have seen some pics, with obvious human-made setups. Concrete rims, branches clearly cut off by people etc etc, haha. Not to mention the food piles.
Though I guess a bit of distance is wise, also because (not sure at which one) I have seen pictures of bears visiting too, ;-)

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13 Dec 2017 20:36 #4734 by zuppi
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The pond heron was shot lying down on the wooden platform in the pond. This is almost at water level, but nothing to hide behind. Also very hot when the sun is out. Would be nice to have something like this with the sun shade and wall hiding one from the wildlife. I'm sure one could get great shots there, with birds and water monitors coming closer.

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13 Dec 2017 20:45 - 13 Dec 2017 20:46 #4735 by zuppi
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Here some more shots, taken at the Lung Sin Hide and at Baan Maka. The second picture illustrates a bit the issue for a photographer: too far (even with the 500mm lens and the crop) and the branch in the background is not necessary to attract the birds and could be removed (In this picture it's not too bad, but most other pictures I had to drop because of this).
The snake was cool though ;-) was hoping to see more.














more to follow... ;-)

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06 Jan 2018 13:37 #4752 by Paul TW
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Another great haul of pictures Zuppi!

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